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	<title>Comments on: The Mighty Linden Dollar</title>
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		<title>By: Lazarus</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23894</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... not much to add but to say very good article. However this is more personal issue than anything else. I can undestand your idea about global SL economy but most of the people are there for fun. Now, in RL how much do i spend for fun? A LOT :-) How much am I ready to spend for fun in SL? A lot too. Do I care about SL or RL economy? No. In matter fact I do have premium account and spend many Lindens for items and land. However, can not blame anyone, even though I dont understand, for not spending few cents for their own fun. Different people, different opinions and everyone has its own ways. I must admit that whenever I see nice avatar or house or sim I do pass a comment and praise those who did it. They did put some effort in it no matter how, either buying goods in SL or building them selves. I dont know how to build more than playing with basic prims so I pay for my ignorance cos hey it is for my fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; not much to add but to say very good article. However this is more personal issue than anything else. I can undestand your idea about global SL economy but most of the people are there for fun. Now, in RL how much do i spend for fun? A LOT <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  How much am I ready to spend for fun in SL? A lot too. Do I care about SL or RL economy? No. In matter fact I do have premium account and spend many Lindens for items and land. However, can not blame anyone, even though I dont understand, for not spending few cents for their own fun. Different people, different opinions and everyone has its own ways. I must admit that whenever I see nice avatar or house or sim I do pass a comment and praise those who did it. They did put some effort in it no matter how, either buying goods in SL or building them selves. I dont know how to build more than playing with basic prims so I pay for my ignorance cos hey it is for my fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23481</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyneth Llewelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Tabliopa (@30), my only fear is if that would turn SL, the &quot;contiguous virtual world&quot; into one of &quot;separate rooms&quot; (islands!)... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tabliopa (@30), my only fear is if that would turn SL, the &#8220;contiguous virtual world&#8221; into one of &#8220;separate rooms&#8221; (islands!)&#8230; <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Herne Diker</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23478</link>
		<dc:creator>Herne Diker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 great idea, meetings with 1000 avatars would be amazing.I and a lot of others would go just to see that audience.
#30 that too is a great idea I&#039;d love to have a quiet little spot with no spam in the sky around me like BTEGlobal puts up.Then get dolled up and out the teleporter to the world. 
Thanks for your great blog, Gwyneth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 great idea, meetings with 1000 avatars would be amazing.I and a lot of others would go just to see that audience.<br />
#30 that too is a great idea I&#8217;d love to have a quiet little spot with no spam in the sky around me like BTEGlobal puts up.Then get dolled up and out the teleporter to the world.<br />
Thanks for your great blog, Gwyneth.</p>
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		<title>By: A.T.</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23477</link>
		<dc:creator>A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have really weird idea, but... It came to my mind during reading last few paragraphs. What if it somehow mapped/correlated with SL hardware requirements for 3D video card? ;) I remember when I had been going in-world, I couldn&#039;t meet certain friends because one of them had PC broken, and buying another one with _particular_ video card (minimal, after later check). Once they bought it, it looked odd for them to buy anything since &quot;a lot of money had been spent already on SL&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have really weird idea, but&#8230; It came to my mind during reading last few paragraphs. What if it somehow mapped/correlated with SL hardware requirements for 3D video card? <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I remember when I had been going in-world, I couldn&#8217;t meet certain friends because one of them had PC broken, and buying another one with _particular_ video card (minimal, after later check). Once they bought it, it looked odd for them to buy anything since &#8220;a lot of money had been spent already on SL&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tabliopa Underwood</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23447</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabliopa Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwyneth wrote in part &quot;I can imagine sims being offered with 512 prims, 256×256 in size, but only for as low as L$20 — running, of course, 128 sims on the same server, and allowing as little as 3-4 simultaneous avatars per sim…&quot;

For a virtual home that would actually work for me quite well. If LL gave me 512 prims on a private region with upto 4 avatars at one time, Id be happy as. I could make a nice home and garden for myself with that many prims. 

LL could charge me $US15 per month as as a Premium Homeowner for this, and I&#039;d be happy to pay it. I wouldnt have to worry about nosey neighbours, nosey scripts, ugly builds (except my own =)), adfarms or nothing.

Yes I maybe sharing server and bandwidth space with other avatars (more even) but not visual, chat or scripted space, not at home anyway. 

Bit like Rooms on other sites I suppose, but I would also have the ability in SL to buy/rent other larger parcels for out-of-home stuff. And still be able to shop and club and explore in the world open to me whenever I step out my front door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwyneth wrote in part &#8220;I can imagine sims being offered with 512 prims, 256×256 in size, but only for as low as L$20 — running, of course, 128 sims on the same server, and allowing as little as 3-4 simultaneous avatars per sim…&#8221;</p>
<p>For a virtual home that would actually work for me quite well. If LL gave me 512 prims on a private region with upto 4 avatars at one time, Id be happy as. I could make a nice home and garden for myself with that many prims. </p>
<p>LL could charge me $US15 per month as as a Premium Homeowner for this, and I&#8217;d be happy to pay it. I wouldnt have to worry about nosey neighbours, nosey scripts, ugly builds (except my own =)), adfarms or nothing.</p>
<p>Yes I maybe sharing server and bandwidth space with other avatars (more even) but not visual, chat or scripted space, not at home anyway. </p>
<p>Bit like Rooms on other sites I suppose, but I would also have the ability in SL to buy/rent other larger parcels for out-of-home stuff. And still be able to shop and club and explore in the world open to me whenever I step out my front door.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Gwyneth :D ! I do not see how you see this not. At least here in Brazil, people may even feel some resistance at the beginning - first months - that are in the SL, but then begin to put the money inside yes. Few still reluctant to put money in SL, I can say this, because live closely with people who work in buying and selling L$ here, and demand is great.

Regarding the real estate crisis, I had decided that putting more land to sell. It was without many expectations due to speculation on this crisis. But to my surprise, two weeks almost all sold, even with prices a little above the market.

Sorry for mistakes, my english is not very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gwyneth <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  ! I do not see how you see this not. At least here in Brazil, people may even feel some resistance at the beginning &#8211; first months &#8211; that are in the SL, but then begin to put the money inside yes. Few still reluctant to put money in SL, I can say this, because live closely with people who work in buying and selling L$ here, and demand is great.</p>
<p>Regarding the real estate crisis, I had decided that putting more land to sell. It was without many expectations due to speculation on this crisis. But to my surprise, two weeks almost all sold, even with prices a little above the market.</p>
<p>Sorry for mistakes, my english is not very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Proto</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23285</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximilian Proto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwyneth, thanks for your reply; your thinking around sim sizes and prim levels is actually not too far away in principle from the point that I was trying to get across. 

While I would be happy to share my thoughts on this, I fear this would go beyond the scope of a blog comment, since I’m such a chatty guy… If you are really interested, let me know and I can send you some notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwyneth, thanks for your reply; your thinking around sim sizes and prim levels is actually not too far away in principle from the point that I was trying to get across. </p>
<p>While I would be happy to share my thoughts on this, I fear this would go beyond the scope of a blog comment, since I’m such a chatty guy… If you are really interested, let me know and I can send you some notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Laetizia Coronet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laetizia Coronet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1600 avis, all blinging away, all carrying their Mystis and their flexi hair and their alpha layered clothing and their scripted objects and... 
I&#039;d be dead in a minute. maybe LL does not want that kind of weakness in the system (the end user being the weakness) exposed too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1600 avis, all blinging away, all carrying their Mystis and their flexi hair and their alpha layered clothing and their scripted objects and&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;d be dead in a minute. maybe LL does not want that kind of weakness in the system (the end user being the weakness) exposed too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwyneth Llewelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, Max :) Now, one question: why do you value a whole island — all 65,536 m2 of it and the 15,000 prims so low?

Understanding the reasons for it might also help LL target their product better. For instance, those numbers above are actually a bit &quot;arbitrary&quot;. A sim could theoretically be 1024x1024 in size; or it could be 64x64 but have 15,000 prims! Or, like LL does with the OpenSpace sims, you can get one much cheaper, with the same 256x256, but far less prims. I can imagine sims being offered with 512 prims, 256x256 in size, but only for as low as L$20 — running, of course, 128 sims on the same server, and allowing as little as  3-4 simultaneous avatars per sim...

While there is a theoretical limit on the combinations, I think that LL could effectively tailor one combination that allows them to get an extra-low price, trading off on the features.

And there is a HUGE market for having 256x256 islands with 60,000 prims and allowing 400 avatars, for US$1200/month. It&#039;s such a pity that Linden Lab does not wish to offer that service, because it would simply be *awesome* — imagine what you could do joining four of those super-sims side by side, and get events attended by 1600 avatars simultaneously!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, Max <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Now, one question: why do you value a whole island — all 65,536 m2 of it and the 15,000 prims so low?</p>
<p>Understanding the reasons for it might also help LL target their product better. For instance, those numbers above are actually a bit &#8220;arbitrary&#8221;. A sim could theoretically be 1024&#215;1024 in size; or it could be 64&#215;64 but have 15,000 prims! Or, like LL does with the OpenSpace sims, you can get one much cheaper, with the same 256&#215;256, but far less prims. I can imagine sims being offered with 512 prims, 256&#215;256 in size, but only for as low as L$20 — running, of course, 128 sims on the same server, and allowing as little as  3-4 simultaneous avatars per sim&#8230;</p>
<p>While there is a theoretical limit on the combinations, I think that LL could effectively tailor one combination that allows them to get an extra-low price, trading off on the features.</p>
<p>And there is a HUGE market for having 256&#215;256 islands with 60,000 prims and allowing 400 avatars, for US$1200/month. It&#8217;s such a pity that Linden Lab does not wish to offer that service, because it would simply be *awesome* — imagine what you could do joining four of those super-sims side by side, and get events attended by 1600 avatars simultaneously!</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Proto</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2008/07/10/the-mighty-linden-dollar/comment-page-1/#comment-23235</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximilian Proto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrap, Gwyn, although I am genuinely not interested in any technical background of SL, I am aware of SL’s hardware setup, etc. However, thank you for highlighting my key issue again - albeit probably unintentionally :)

See, if I simply value owning a virtual island with not more than, let’s say, US$20 per month, but LL is not able to make me an offer at this price level, then I don’t buy an island. 

And if I’m a casual user that spends only a few hours in SL per week, I might not feel to waste that time searching for any land whatsoever. Also, with plenty of quite decent free content around and enough places to visit, I might not even bother to go to the SL website and update my account information with credit card or Pay Pal information. Etc.

And this might exactly be what we are currently seeing in SL with a large number of users. 

So, my take on this: Unless LL offers a kind of easy “click-to-buy” island directly from e.g. the land store at low monthly costs, SL is likely to move sideways being stuck with a limited group of early adopters/hardcore users and plenty of “freebie residents”.

And what are “low costs”? Well, if you look around in the industry, you will find that Blizzard or CCP Games have probably figured out the most attractive basic pricing level that people are willing to pay per month: approx. US$15. 

Real economics, so to speak :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrap, Gwyn, although I am genuinely not interested in any technical background of SL, I am aware of SL’s hardware setup, etc. However, thank you for highlighting my key issue again &#8211; albeit probably unintentionally <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>See, if I simply value owning a virtual island with not more than, let’s say, US$20 per month, but LL is not able to make me an offer at this price level, then I don’t buy an island. </p>
<p>And if I’m a casual user that spends only a few hours in SL per week, I might not feel to waste that time searching for any land whatsoever. Also, with plenty of quite decent free content around and enough places to visit, I might not even bother to go to the SL website and update my account information with credit card or Pay Pal information. Etc.</p>
<p>And this might exactly be what we are currently seeing in SL with a large number of users. </p>
<p>So, my take on this: Unless LL offers a kind of easy “click-to-buy” island directly from e.g. the land store at low monthly costs, SL is likely to move sideways being stuck with a limited group of early adopters/hardcore users and plenty of “freebie residents”.</p>
<p>And what are “low costs”? Well, if you look around in the industry, you will find that Blizzard or CCP Games have probably figured out the most attractive basic pricing level that people are willing to pay per month: approx. US$15. </p>
<p>Real economics, so to speak <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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