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		<title>By: How Immersionism/Augmentationism Story Will End &#124; Living in the Metaverse</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-26386</link>
		<dc:creator>How Immersionism/Augmentationism Story Will End &#124; Living in the Metaverse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when it will happen. But luckily, there is a bit of light on the horizon. Gwyneth Llewelyn calls it post-immersionism. I believe that the dominant attitude will be to trust more and more what people do on the Internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when it will happen. But luckily, there is a bit of light on the horizon. Gwyneth Llewelyn calls it post-immersionism. I believe that the dominant attitude will be to trust more and more what people do on the Internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne Palisades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheyenne Palisades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Gwyn!

I&#039;m convinced I sometimes see the &quot;real world&quot; pixellate. I suspect it too is virtual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Gwyn!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced I sometimes see the &#8220;real world&#8221; pixellate. I suspect it too is virtual.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel Sunset</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-25016</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel Sunset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really good, in-depth ( with Extropia&#039;s complements, and the surrounding discussion) look at identity in SL in particular, and virtual environments as a whole.

I have always defined my character in virtual worlds by creating an avatar, as far as possible, that fits an ideal of how I will react to the world. This does not stop my RL personality from intruding, but helps me to Be who I Am in the virtuial environment. In that sense, I agree that I do not have to interact to Be in a virtual world, at least not with the residents. I DO have to engage myself as (not WITH) the avatar, in order not to trivialise the world experience.

The division I see, which is as valid for me in RL as in SL or other worlds, is a) who I present myself as, as a visible living Body, and b) what I do as this visible living Body.

For me the difference between my RL existence and the SL or virtual existence, is just the medium. I am still ME in both - but the Me I am is the manifestation of my Being as approriate to the world I am in.

I guess I am a pure escapist - in RL I escape into the physical world (out of my Real Universe, the mind), in SL I escape into the LL world (out of my Real Universe, the mind).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good, in-depth ( with Extropia&#8217;s complements, and the surrounding discussion) look at identity in SL in particular, and virtual environments as a whole.</p>
<p>I have always defined my character in virtual worlds by creating an avatar, as far as possible, that fits an ideal of how I will react to the world. This does not stop my RL personality from intruding, but helps me to Be who I Am in the virtuial environment. In that sense, I agree that I do not have to interact to Be in a virtual world, at least not with the residents. I DO have to engage myself as (not WITH) the avatar, in order not to trivialise the world experience.</p>
<p>The division I see, which is as valid for me in RL as in SL or other worlds, is a) who I present myself as, as a visible living Body, and b) what I do as this visible living Body.</p>
<p>For me the difference between my RL existence and the SL or virtual existence, is just the medium. I am still ME in both &#8211; but the Me I am is the manifestation of my Being as approriate to the world I am in.</p>
<p>I guess I am a pure escapist &#8211; in RL I escape into the physical world (out of my Real Universe, the mind), in SL I escape into the LL world (out of my Real Universe, the mind).</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Innis</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-24985</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Innis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Extropia: &quot;Yes Dale. I believe this was the main principle of ‘post modernism’, ‘poststrucuralism’ and ‘deconstructionism’, according to which objectivity is impossible, meaning is self-contradictary and reality is socially constructed.&quot;  Well, yeah, but that&#039;s taking it a bit too far!   It&#039;s possible to think of the atomic self as socially constructed without thinking all that other self-sabotaging stuff.  One can be Mead without being Derrida.  :)


@Gwyn: &quot;On the other hand, there is no digital self without online interaction.&quot;  That&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m questioning.  I think you can have just as much of a solitary digital self, just sitting behind that rock in Coldridge Valley as a level 1 Gnome Rogue and doing nothing, as you can a solitary atomic self.  I don&#039;t see a difference in kind here at all.

Also, &quot;I agree that “new residents” tend to ignore those labels, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist  In fact, it’s absolutely unsurprising that when they finally hear about them they find the concept preposterous.&quot;  Again, I don&#039;t think we actually know that &quot;they find the concept preposterous&quot; to any greater degree than previous generations.  We may sort of have a gut feeling that way; on the other hand there are *lots* of current-generation residents over at the imm end of the spectrum, and our gut feeling could well be wrong about the general trend.  I don&#039;t think we want to start assuming that the current generation of residents is all bunch up down at the aug end; I don&#039;t think that&#039;s true.

(Note that I&#039;m only talking about the parts of your posting that I disagree with.  Overall I think it&#039;s useful and insightful.  And I&#039;m glad you liked the story.  :) )

(Oh, and I seem to be posting here successfully now!  Before when the comments were never appearing I was authenticating via http://daleinniss.wordpress.com/ and OpenID; maybe there&#039;s something wrong with that channel...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Extropia: &#8220;Yes Dale. I believe this was the main principle of ‘post modernism’, ‘poststrucuralism’ and ‘deconstructionism’, according to which objectivity is impossible, meaning is self-contradictary and reality is socially constructed.&#8221;  Well, yeah, but that&#8217;s taking it a bit too far!   It&#8217;s possible to think of the atomic self as socially constructed without thinking all that other self-sabotaging stuff.  One can be Mead without being Derrida.  <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Gwyn: &#8220;On the other hand, there is no digital self without online interaction.&#8221;  That&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m questioning.  I think you can have just as much of a solitary digital self, just sitting behind that rock in Coldridge Valley as a level 1 Gnome Rogue and doing nothing, as you can a solitary atomic self.  I don&#8217;t see a difference in kind here at all.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;I agree that “new residents” tend to ignore those labels, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist  In fact, it’s absolutely unsurprising that when they finally hear about them they find the concept preposterous.&#8221;  Again, I don&#8217;t think we actually know that &#8220;they find the concept preposterous&#8221; to any greater degree than previous generations.  We may sort of have a gut feeling that way; on the other hand there are *lots* of current-generation residents over at the imm end of the spectrum, and our gut feeling could well be wrong about the general trend.  I don&#8217;t think we want to start assuming that the current generation of residents is all bunch up down at the aug end; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>(Note that I&#8217;m only talking about the parts of your posting that I disagree with.  Overall I think it&#8217;s useful and insightful.  And I&#8217;m glad you liked the story.  <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>(Oh, and I seem to be posting here successfully now!  Before when the comments were never appearing I was authenticating via <a href="http://daleinniss.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://daleinniss.wordpress.com/</a> and OpenID; maybe there&#8217;s something wrong with that channel&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: dandellion Kimban</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-24983</link>
		<dc:creator>dandellion Kimban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2009/how-immersionism-augmentationism-story-will-en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;light on the end of the tunnel&lt;/a&gt;. Finally that silly imm/aug story will end. Bennetsen&#039;s article brought more harm than good, but that&#039;s the way things usually go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see the <a href="http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2009/how-immersionism-augmentationism-story-will-en" rel="nofollow">light on the end of the tunnel</a>. Finally that silly imm/aug story will end. Bennetsen&#8217;s article brought more harm than good, but that&#8217;s the way things usually go.</p>
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		<title>By: Extropia DaSilva</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-24982</link>
		<dc:creator>Extropia DaSilva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;As for Immersion we are not there yet. When we can transfer our thoughts and memories directly into a different object/ a living object it will be true.&#039;

It is certainly true that SL does not offer the kind of immersion one would expect of VR as it is presented in movies like &#039;The Matrix&#039; and books like &#039;Neuromancer&#039;. However, several experiments from cognitive neuroscience and psychology suggest that what we have now may be more immersive than you might suppose.

1: THE BASKETBALL GAME AND THE GORILLA.

This experiment demonstrates &#039;Inattentional Blindness&#039;. People are shown a video of two teams, each throwing a baskbetball among themselves. The observers are asked to count how many times the ball is passed by one team, while ignoring passes made by the other.

After the video ends, people are asked &#039;did you see the gorilla?&#039;. About half say &#039;no&#039;. Amazingly, these people fail to notice a guy in an ape costume, walking right across the scene and even stopping to thump his chest! So absorbed were they in the counting task, they did not see the gorilla even though they were looking directly at it.

So, what about SL/RL? Sure, SL only exists inside the frame of your monitor. But, if your attention is focused on what is happening within the monitor, surely it must be the case that the &#039;real world&#039; out on the periphery of your vision essentially stops existing, thanks to inattentional blindness.

2: THE MONKEY AND THE RAKE.

Monkeys (and presumably, humans) have a region of the brain called the parietal cortex. This controls actions of reaching and grasping, and neurons in this region become active when anything comes near the hand.

If you give a monkey a rake, it does not take long before the region activates whenever something comes close to the end of the rake. As far as the parietal lobe is concerned, the rake has become an extension of the monkey&#039;s arm.

As you control your avatar and move it around inworld, it may well be the case that it too becomes incorporated into your body map, essentially making it a part of your body.

3: READ &#039;OLD&#039;, BE &#039;OLD&#039;.

In this experiment from social psychology, people are supposedly tested on their ability to turn random words into sentences. In reality, most of the words relate to stereotypes of elderly people and the experiment&#039;s purpose is to show how people&#039;s behaviour changes when primed with such stereotypes. Sure enough, students primed with the &#039;elderly&#039; words walk away behaving like elderly people, walking more slowly and stuff like that. They don&#039;t even know they are doing it.

So, what happens if you spend a long time roleplaying a character, responding to people&#039;s reactions to that character, rather than yourself? Is it not likely that you will become primed to act out the personae of that character, and maybe not even realise you are doing so?

4: THE SKIN YOU ARE IN.

In this one, people were randomly assigned one of two types of avatar. One type was an attractive avvie, and the other was an ugly avvie. It was noticed that, when engaging in social situations, people who had attractive avvies behaved with more confidence than the &#039;uglies&#039;. For instance, the uglies tended to stand further away from people they were chatting to, compared to the &#039;beauties&#039;. This was true, regardless of how shy or confident the &#039;real life&#039; person happened to be.

I should point out that participants were wearing VR helmets and so fully immersed (in a visual sense, at least) in the computer-generated environment. But they were only given 5 minutes in which to familiarise themselves with their new appearance. Most of us do not use VR headgear when logged in to Sl, of course, but we might spend years interacting with other people while (perhaps) embodying an avvie unlike our physical appearance. I dare say we naturally conform to whatever levels of confidence or shyness are appropriate, given our avatar&#039;s physical looks.

While logged into SL, it is probably the case that all four happen simultaneously. You have inattentional blindness of the &#039;real world&#039; on the periphery of your vision while focusing attention on the world within your monitor, your avatar becomes incorporated into your body map, essentially making it part of your self, you are reading people&#039;s responses to your appearance and behaviour, and so being primed to take on certain stereotypes and you have spent enough time embodying your avvie to slip quickly and comfortably into a mindset appropriate for your virtual presence.

All in all, I think these facts of psychology and brain science strongly suggest that &#039;immersion&#039; does happen, even without jacking in ala The Matrix:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;As for Immersion we are not there yet. When we can transfer our thoughts and memories directly into a different object/ a living object it will be true.&#8217;</p>
<p>It is certainly true that SL does not offer the kind of immersion one would expect of VR as it is presented in movies like &#8216;The Matrix&#8217; and books like &#8216;Neuromancer&#8217;. However, several experiments from cognitive neuroscience and psychology suggest that what we have now may be more immersive than you might suppose.</p>
<p>1: THE BASKETBALL GAME AND THE GORILLA.</p>
<p>This experiment demonstrates &#8216;Inattentional Blindness&#8217;. People are shown a video of two teams, each throwing a baskbetball among themselves. The observers are asked to count how many times the ball is passed by one team, while ignoring passes made by the other.</p>
<p>After the video ends, people are asked &#8216;did you see the gorilla?&#8217;. About half say &#8216;no&#8217;. Amazingly, these people fail to notice a guy in an ape costume, walking right across the scene and even stopping to thump his chest! So absorbed were they in the counting task, they did not see the gorilla even though they were looking directly at it.</p>
<p>So, what about SL/RL? Sure, SL only exists inside the frame of your monitor. But, if your attention is focused on what is happening within the monitor, surely it must be the case that the &#8216;real world&#8217; out on the periphery of your vision essentially stops existing, thanks to inattentional blindness.</p>
<p>2: THE MONKEY AND THE RAKE.</p>
<p>Monkeys (and presumably, humans) have a region of the brain called the parietal cortex. This controls actions of reaching and grasping, and neurons in this region become active when anything comes near the hand.</p>
<p>If you give a monkey a rake, it does not take long before the region activates whenever something comes close to the end of the rake. As far as the parietal lobe is concerned, the rake has become an extension of the monkey&#8217;s arm.</p>
<p>As you control your avatar and move it around inworld, it may well be the case that it too becomes incorporated into your body map, essentially making it a part of your body.</p>
<p>3: READ &#8216;OLD&#8217;, BE &#8216;OLD&#8217;.</p>
<p>In this experiment from social psychology, people are supposedly tested on their ability to turn random words into sentences. In reality, most of the words relate to stereotypes of elderly people and the experiment&#8217;s purpose is to show how people&#8217;s behaviour changes when primed with such stereotypes. Sure enough, students primed with the &#8216;elderly&#8217; words walk away behaving like elderly people, walking more slowly and stuff like that. They don&#8217;t even know they are doing it.</p>
<p>So, what happens if you spend a long time roleplaying a character, responding to people&#8217;s reactions to that character, rather than yourself? Is it not likely that you will become primed to act out the personae of that character, and maybe not even realise you are doing so?</p>
<p>4: THE SKIN YOU ARE IN.</p>
<p>In this one, people were randomly assigned one of two types of avatar. One type was an attractive avvie, and the other was an ugly avvie. It was noticed that, when engaging in social situations, people who had attractive avvies behaved with more confidence than the &#8216;uglies&#8217;. For instance, the uglies tended to stand further away from people they were chatting to, compared to the &#8216;beauties&#8217;. This was true, regardless of how shy or confident the &#8216;real life&#8217; person happened to be.</p>
<p>I should point out that participants were wearing VR helmets and so fully immersed (in a visual sense, at least) in the computer-generated environment. But they were only given 5 minutes in which to familiarise themselves with their new appearance. Most of us do not use VR headgear when logged in to Sl, of course, but we might spend years interacting with other people while (perhaps) embodying an avvie unlike our physical appearance. I dare say we naturally conform to whatever levels of confidence or shyness are appropriate, given our avatar&#8217;s physical looks.</p>
<p>While logged into SL, it is probably the case that all four happen simultaneously. You have inattentional blindness of the &#8216;real world&#8217; on the periphery of your vision while focusing attention on the world within your monitor, your avatar becomes incorporated into your body map, essentially making it part of your self, you are reading people&#8217;s responses to your appearance and behaviour, and so being primed to take on certain stereotypes and you have spent enough time embodying your avvie to slip quickly and comfortably into a mindset appropriate for your virtual presence.</p>
<p>All in all, I think these facts of psychology and brain science strongly suggest that &#8216;immersion&#8217; does happen, even without jacking in ala The Matrix:)</p>
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		<title>By: Ranma Tardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranma Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with role playing. I use to play Paronia and Traveller as a college student with just pen paper and dice.
The technology is still not ready for true Immersion. I have found the Linden Labs program to be quirky, ram intensive, likely to drop conductivity without notice and the staff to becoming increasing RUDE and INDIFFERENT to their customers. Lately I have become more and more indifferent to it. I have started the process of cashing out all that can be sold for cash. Think this is the real reason I left the Confederation of Democratic Sims. I just do not wish to put more money toward bad. Oh I am being rude again and avoided my answer to you. I found your answer to be very interesting and am still giving it and the article some thought. It is a lot to digest at once!
Gwen do you think, we can get Peter F Hamilton to come online? I LOVED his stories since they were done with a British point of view. It has given me some insight about my British cousins *grins*
When I grow up I want to be an Edenist! *super special wide grin!!*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with role playing. I use to play Paronia and Traveller as a college student with just pen paper and dice.<br />
The technology is still not ready for true Immersion. I have found the Linden Labs program to be quirky, ram intensive, likely to drop conductivity without notice and the staff to becoming increasing RUDE and INDIFFERENT to their customers. Lately I have become more and more indifferent to it. I have started the process of cashing out all that can be sold for cash. Think this is the real reason I left the Confederation of Democratic Sims. I just do not wish to put more money toward bad. Oh I am being rude again and avoided my answer to you. I found your answer to be very interesting and am still giving it and the article some thought. It is a lot to digest at once!<br />
Gwen do you think, we can get Peter F Hamilton to come online? I LOVED his stories since they were done with a British point of view. It has given me some insight about my British cousins *grins*<br />
When I grow up I want to be an Edenist! *super special wide grin!!*</p>
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		<title>By: Extropia DaSilva</title>
		<link>http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/01/10/post-immersionism/comment-page-1/#comment-24976</link>
		<dc:creator>Extropia DaSilva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;If you do not like my writing please try not to be so sensitive. These are my thoughts on the subject and am no authority on these subjects. I am just a single person and “crushing” my writing does not erase them.&#039;

Rest assured that there is no need to crush your ideas, since everything you have said is very much compatible with what is possible using the technology of SL. It most certainly can be used as a means of communication between others and what you perceive to be indistinguishable from your &#039;real&#039; self. Equally, SL lends itself to roleplaying and the creation of fictional characters. Do we are argue over whether or not the novel is a more propper use of written language than the autobiography? No, we recognise both as legitimate uses of the technology. We should do the same for your POV and mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;If you do not like my writing please try not to be so sensitive. These are my thoughts on the subject and am no authority on these subjects. I am just a single person and “crushing” my writing does not erase them.&#8217;</p>
<p>Rest assured that there is no need to crush your ideas, since everything you have said is very much compatible with what is possible using the technology of SL. It most certainly can be used as a means of communication between others and what you perceive to be indistinguishable from your &#8216;real&#8217; self. Equally, SL lends itself to roleplaying and the creation of fictional characters. Do we are argue over whether or not the novel is a more propper use of written language than the autobiography? No, we recognise both as legitimate uses of the technology. We should do the same for your POV and mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwyneth Llewelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwyneth Llewelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;-- LOVES Peter F Hamilton, one of my favourite space opera authors ever, and I&#039;d love to see Peter come to SL and talk to us about his fascinating ideas — Edenism is definitely one of those ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&#8211; LOVES Peter F Hamilton, one of my favourite space opera authors ever, and I&#8217;d love to see Peter come to SL and talk to us about his fascinating ideas — Edenism is definitely one of those <img src='http://gwynethllewelyn.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ranma Tardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranma Tardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never given the subject a lot of thought.
Of course my digital self is different in appearance to my real life self. A real life picture of myself yesterday is not the same picture as today. The important things, my speech, mannerisms, etc are being sent from me to this program or better yet set of programs on multiple servers. My second life self does not really do anything it only appears to be doing something. Nothing is made and these places exist only in our minds. Computers even today are just a set of on/off switches. There is no mystery about them only the personification we give them.
My sl avatar can not exist without me or someone else logging into the account. (bots do not count being a computer program)I exist without the help of a second life avatar. To me second life has no mystery and is no more than a web page with chat channels. I interact with real people through this communication device. I see second life as a phase in the development of communications. When the Linden Labs shuts off its computers for the final time there will be nothing left of our second lives but our memories.
As for Immersion we are not there yet. When we can transfer our thoughts and memories directly into a different object/ a living object it will be true. Reading material, I suggest the works of Peter F Hamilton. I like the concept of edenism *huge grin!*
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/peter-f-hamilton/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edenist
If you do not like my writing please try not to be so sensitive. These are my thoughts on the subject and am no authority on these subjects. I am just a single person and &quot;crushing&quot; my writing does not erase them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never given the subject a lot of thought.<br />
Of course my digital self is different in appearance to my real life self. A real life picture of myself yesterday is not the same picture as today. The important things, my speech, mannerisms, etc are being sent from me to this program or better yet set of programs on multiple servers. My second life self does not really do anything it only appears to be doing something. Nothing is made and these places exist only in our minds. Computers even today are just a set of on/off switches. There is no mystery about them only the personification we give them.<br />
My sl avatar can not exist without me or someone else logging into the account. (bots do not count being a computer program)I exist without the help of a second life avatar. To me second life has no mystery and is no more than a web page with chat channels. I interact with real people through this communication device. I see second life as a phase in the development of communications. When the Linden Labs shuts off its computers for the final time there will be nothing left of our second lives but our memories.<br />
As for Immersion we are not there yet. When we can transfer our thoughts and memories directly into a different object/ a living object it will be true. Reading material, I suggest the works of Peter F Hamilton. I like the concept of edenism *huge grin!*<br />
<a href="http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/peter-f-hamilton/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/peter-f-hamilton/</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edenist" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edenist</a><br />
If you do not like my writing please try not to be so sensitive. These are my thoughts on the subject and am no authority on these subjects. I am just a single person and &#8220;crushing&#8221; my writing does not erase them.</p>
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