*** There is a very large group of Brazilians and Portuguese copybotters, some of them quite organised, with whole sims with pirated content — well documented, pictured, and abuse reported, but they act as organised rings, popping up one day, gone the next, setting up shop again, and disappearing after a few thousand sales. Gwen Carillon managed to break down one ring, but there are more. ***

The NERVE of some stupid xenophobes.

I'll have you know that the biggest organization behind the creation of copy-bot machines, as well as the biggest organization for SALES of stolen content, are from the oh-so-mighty, holier-than-thou, arrogant and presumptions AMERICANS.

Don't take my word for it, go and investigate yourselves, if you claim to be oh-so-good in breaking chains and uncovering frauds, before posting xenophobic comments about other people and other people's countries.

You know, Meg, since I've been born and living in Portugal, I cannot be called a xenophobe if I say anything against the Portuguese-speaking communities — I'm part of them myself... :)

But I would definitely be a xenophobe if I called *Americans* "arrogant and presumptuous"... which I never did.

In any case, that's hardly the point, isn't it? I was talking about the communities of my fellow native speakers who did have organised groups and whole sims crammed full of pirated content. I've been there; I've seen their shops and malls; I've reported on them. I'm sure there are more like that in other communities, but I haven't been in those to see; I did only report about my own language group.

and I also feel nice since emerald did it. I am going to release temp upload on all types.

Ok now heres a bit more help because I got serious knowledge on this game.


Now this is where people can get your passwords. In open source viewers you want to mainly look in llstartup.cpp or llpanelogin.cpp you can ask any other viewer creators about this. There no other place to get it other then the login request. They can write the function in another file but it still have to be called in llstartup or llpanellogin

This is still nothing. People can do worse not just steal your sl password but what I posted above is for the LL password.

Pretty much they can do anything since its C++. I do not complain to have done any of this but I am being helpful to you.

How can people steal your im. Im open source viewers. Go look at llviewermessage.cpp and look for process_improved_im. In that function under there a person can make it so if a person does a typing stop or typing start or any kind of im which will make this work grid wide. They can steal you im info. They can steal your grid position cordinates (LL used to let you do it to anyone before 1.20 till some idiot sold a bot on slex that does it but emerald also has an option to do it for objects so people are scared of using object llinstantmessages now thanks to that. They can pretty much do anything to you by im there.

You think I make these viewer in sl. I did sl a favor by making some of this shit open source gyneth. LL can have something to fix anytime they want to. I see a shit load of bugs in emerald, I can ruin it any day. I already did that for the friendship disvolve shit. You were annoying people by detecting a person when they send u friendship delete packet. So I spammed it back on you. I still see several loopholes in emerald. Majority of the dev of emerald have been total assholes to me.

Gywneth, I am not going to complain who made what. If you looked at most of the closed source viewer abilities you still see that what I added out was nothing.

I did a favor to cryolife by making that patch. I totally annliated it on my free view. Since cryolife is looking for a few things in order for it to crash or even get detected. I provided that people should be thankful for me getting rid of it. But if I wanted in a day I can reenable cryolife back into the grid without doing anything.

All one has to do is disable the clothing protection and do something about the typing stops enabled in the viewer and one can seriously clean it up and make it work again. In the debug settings of cryolife all one has to do is turn clothing protection off and done they are undetectable.

I also laugh at the emerald team for how they ruined it for everyone else. If someone for example turns off clothing protection to avoid detect them. You can still detect them. Thats why he created clothing protection and set the detection up. One can always detect them. Its in the code. llprimitive.cpp. Even when off you can access the keys when placed there which does ruin the privacy of which viewer its on. In like a week I can ruin it on my open source viewer if I wanted.

Same goes with clothing protection. People think it does crap for u but it can be broken to steal clothes and clothing textures.

Chalice. All I have to say. All you have been doing is trash talking me and putting blame on me etc. You claimed just on one of the posts you should look at me for who created vlife. You very well know who created vlife. Don't put your lies. You work with them on the emerald team. The proof is even in the emerald source code. Don't pin this on me. As far as I know I been following LL's gpl licensing system. yet you still complain at me. I was also reading sl universe, you admitted that cryogenic blitz did create cryolife. Cmon, now chalice you and me know that some of the emerald team dev also created private source viewers for a cash profit and vlife was one of them. If you are going to blame me for some misconceptions go a head. People tried ruining my project and I have forgiven gwneth. Anyways anything I hand out, its all posted on my blog. So I suggest you go complain at LL to do something about it. I provided them to the code for them to look at it and break it if they want. I am not going to go around rating everyone on the emerald team of who they are and what they created to destroy sl already but yes they did provide copybot in their code along with several other viewer meerkat for example has a copybot. If you didn't want it getting out then why did u release it for prim back up. Thats the same thing I did but I just release the checks. As far as I know I cannot break the tos only the person using it can break tos so I am 100 percent safe there.


Let me make this clear. I didn't give anything big out my self. Gwneth. Look at this. I provided greif protection and nothing wrong with it it just killed half of sl's greifing things. Some of the functions packetwise I gave out which cannot be broken. cb I lifted restrictions for a reason because it was annoying having that resctriction, I just let them use it wisely. Also the ability to open up floaters( toolbars). LL has created floateravatartextures.cpp. I just enabled it. it can let other users from stealing textures in the game. Its not my fault but pretty much sl's for releasing something like that.

As for packetwise shortly I should be handing out a thing that should kill some scripts out there because channels will be revealed. Only people who can fix it is LL. LL gave us an option to either improve sl or break it and it said that on the secondlife wiki when downloading the viewer. Please note no blame falls now me for doing any of this, its the person and how he abuses it.

Only requirement was to follow gpl licensing and I did. LL has designed this system in sl which they can track things on who started it. I was telling you about the orig_creator_id because I used to be able to track it but one of my functions to do it has been broken. But LL can still do it. Also transaction logs still reveal everything. But there is also ways to break another person's transaction logs which many people aren't aware of yet nor I am going to tell them how to.

Errr, no :>
I didn't say you created VLife. Read what I said again, but nice outrage.

Using a proxy to avoid troubles. Ok, let me clear things up. I did not send out notecards all over sl. I didn't send hack alerts over sl too because there were bots also sending ims with hack alerts all over sl.

I did flame you on my site because I was pissed off you were telling people not to use neillife and everyone was downloading wrong links that I never uploaded. On my blogspot I even told people not to use that link that was passed around all over sl. I never uploaded anything to 2shared. I only use sharenow.com if you check on my blog. For anyone who has downloaded from torrents or alternate links not posted on my blog is from people who tried to ruin my open source project in 3 days after the release of the viewer. I was first closed source then I open sourced some of the functions. Note none of them are greifer functions. I did flame you back on my blog after you tried flaming me and my whole project got ruined not just by you but the people who handed out alternate links. I provided source code so anyone can compile and hand nasty things out which aren't my fault. I know you were hurt by people posting notecards in your name but I was too thats why I am willing to forgive you. I am still waiting for people to tell the real story what happened.

First note, on my site neillife-lol.blogspot.com/. I did provide the source code to my viewer following gpl license system. All of the links I provided on my blog were clean and safe so I see no reason why I must get flamed for it.

I provided ban evasions due to I know so many people who get in trouble and just recently I made it so they can set their mac and hardware id to login prior to the login.

I did reduce cb restrictions because other clients were doing it too that were closed source. Cmon now, Its just for backup. I never meant for stealth. I saw no need for restrictions.
I provided source keys, texture keys, sculpt keys but still got to fix the sculpt keys. Since I heard coolviewer was doing texture keys and they never got in trouble.

I provided a few of Sl's resources like open up any texture from the viewer or play any animation or sound key which is a non greifer option.

I provided greif protection which protects against physics sim crashes and prevents against greifers in sl if you actually read my code. It also prevents against sims from using autoreturn till you leave the region unless the owner force removed it.

Just recently in my 3.1 version, Anyone using my client can get rid of cryolife users in 5 seconds. The only way for cryolife users to prevent being detect is by turning clothing protection off but my viewer still detect them even if they do it.
I did infact earlier plan on working with emerald previously, in the skype. I did see nexis there but not sure if he is still there. I got pissed off by one of the things they did and since they did what they did. I started killing some of the bugs they were using with patches.

create_selected which lets you rez about any 4000 meters.
Typing protection patch on jira was by me because I hated that most of the emerald users were abusing it by seeing the typing message before the user typed.
I tried destroying the friendship termination option because lots of users thought it was annoying that people were detecting when they deleted them but they fixxed the little hole.


When creating my open source viewer, I told lgg I was giving credit for emerald coding the viewer he agreeded on it. Since he prefers thing with credits on it which I did.You can ask him. I told him I will leave all the function the same name. Etc. Thats why everything left the same. Since its open source I can compile on them with no problem thats the main meaning of open source I do not get why they open source and get angry later. They infact did compile using other viewers coding that has been open source and released things of their own. I have did the same thing.

I am going to help you out. Now I still do request you still please post the real story on your blog.

As crunchy said earlier we can get the org_creator_id. It may not show up as you because if I was in the game I can forge creator ids on about anything. We can probably forge last owners, I saw it was possible haven't tested but emerald only released the detection for normal objects it can see. It hasn't released it for other items like your inventory items also contain last owner.


Point being if they forged the creator it will come up in their name as last creator which will help you tremendously.

So basically LL can detect it. Next time please do not kill my alt Neil Elton if you do not have proof I did it. I saw 2 posts of yours on my blog so I am writing on yours. I haven't planned to my viewer a greifer viewer yet. I see no reason why one should flame it.

Neil, thanks for your explanations. I'm now pretty much convinced that you're not the author of the spam notecards, but I should point out that I never claimed you were... as said, I don't believe you're proficient enough in Portuguese to be able to spread around notecards in that language (which are actually well written without the use of an automatic translator), so clearly someone else did that. There is a very large group of Brazilians and Portuguese copybotters, some of them quite organised, with whole sims with pirated content — well documented, pictured, and abuse reported, but they act as organised rings, popping up one day, gone the next, setting up shop again, and disappearing after a few thousand sales. Gwen Carillon managed to break down one ring, but there are more.

That's just one side of the issue.

The other side of the issue is something completely different. The Emerald viewer has quite a good reputation — lots of features, an excellent design team, good programmers, quite a high reputation. Branching it off while initially keeping (part) of the name, but including content-copying mechanisms, is a no-no. It's pointless to claim that you've supplied the whole source code, or that weapon manufacturers are not to blame if people shoot others with their guns. This is not the point. The Linden Lab Terms of Service for Second Life clearly state that you are not allowed to distribute software that permits to bypass certain features of Second Life (like, well, copy protection), no matter how easy that actually is. We're not being philosophical here; I'm well aware of the analogue hole and have even patiently explained so often that there is no technical way to plug that hole. We're not discussing if it's pointless to explicitly forbid something that is technologically impossible to prevent.

Instead, what Linden Lab did was to enforce a social prohibition. Just like in real life: killing other human beings is quite easy, and you don't even need a weapon for that. It is still a crime in almost all countries in the world, and you get arrested for doing it. So while it's technologically impossible to prevent people from killing each other, laws (social enforcement) are in place to prevent that.

If you break those laws, you're the only one responsible for what happens to you.

So... the Terms of Service are the "laws" for using Second Life. If you break them — no matter what your argument might be — you're liable to get your account terminated by Linden Lab. It's very easy to understand. Stop distributing your version of the viewer that includes content copying functions and you're safe to use Second Life again — the other functions in your viewer are not forbidden, and quite useful to many users.

ummm gwyn have you even looked at the original emerald viewer as compared to neils viewer. you want to sit here and trash his viewer because it has copybot.... ok... then trash emerald as well seeing as how you can do the same thing with emerald. neil didnt just add that to emerald. EMERALD ALLOWS IT BY DEFAULT. so before you get your britches in a wad and start bawin about one persons item while comparing it to anothers. take 2 seconds and have a good look at the two items. are they the same? is that which walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck not a duck? there are ways to use the emerald viewer to hack free uploads to second life. inside emerald there are ways to copybot any prim item visable to you, and inside emerald there are ways to crash sims. not that this is a surprise really. neil is right. look at the emerald development team. lets see. jaycool410 wildcat who mind you was permabanned for hacking LL servers. who goes by the name alias now. which oh wow that name was permabanned too and what might you ask for? not for picking up litter on the side walk thats for sure. then you add in cryo. another viewer that was and still is used to grief people and steal anything they wish with. so is anyone surprised that emerald has the power to copybot prims. crash sims and hack free uploads? NO. im not surprised. and people can sit here and say but they have changed their ways.... ok ye sure. they changed their ways. and this is why half of the dev team are jumping from one name to another because of permabans and scared half to death to let the world know who they are cause they will get banned. vlife is a rip off. pftt like id ever pay 50,000L for a free viewer. thats about dumb. which if i am not mistaken according to the GPL which is what LL uses. all viewers MUST RELEASE THIER SOURCE CODE. so lets see the source alias. chalice. cryo. they will never do it because then how can they continue to rape money from people that dont know any better. the viewer should be free no matter what. kthxbainao

Hokay, normally I don't answer to a pile of misinformation like this, but I feel like setting some things straight.

"then trash emerald as well seeing as how you can do the same thing with emerald. neil didnt just add that to emerald. EMERALD ALLOWS IT BY DEFAULT."

Emerald does not allow you to export any content you aren't the owner of, and that isn't fullperm. Neil allows any setup of prims to be exported, no matter what the perms, no matter if you are the owner or not.

"there are ways to use the emerald viewer to hack free uploads to second life."

Yes. it's called 'file -> upload image', and checking the 'temporary' checkbox. Upload of tempoary images is free through LL's system, as the images do not get stored on the asset server, but only the sim you are in, and they vanish again soon..usually within the hour.

"and inside emerald there are ways to crash sims."

I admit I am amused by this. Where are you getting such a clever tidbit of information? Actually, can you please point at the code that does this? The source can be gotten from our homepage.

"so is anyone surprised that emerald has the power to copybot prims. crash sims and hack free uploads? NO. im not surprised."

No, you are just misinformed about alot of details.

"and this is why half of the dev team are jumping from one name to another because of permabans and scared half to death to let the world know who they are cause they will get banned."

We...do? Is that why we list our in-world names on the homepage? See http://www.modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=c...

I guess that's also why I only have one main account that is close to 1000 days old. I'm such a mean namejumper.

"which if i am not mistaken according to the GPL which is what LL uses. all viewers MUST RELEASE THIER SOURCE CODE."

Agreed. All parties who obtain the binaries are supposed to be able to request the source code, and it needs to be handed to them. My PSL was like this, Emerald releases the source with every binary release.

"alias. chalice. cryo. they will never do it because then how can they continue to rape money from people that dont know any better."

I did not have a hand in vlife creation or distribution, nor was I ever in possession of it. Or any other ToS breaking viewer at all. Actually, I rather clearly started when I first heard about these viewers, and my opinion of them in my first comment of this blog post. I also stated that to my knowledge, none of those viewers are created/spread/leaked anymore. You will have to look into the direction of Neil or the PN for that, who quite openly are making them now. I don't see a rant of yours over there tho.

All in all, invest a little more time in backing up your claims with more recent and valid information before dropping a Blog comment like that. It would make your words more plausible instead of far from the truth.

hmm your absolutely right chalice. Jcool410 (Wildcat)/Alias Turbo: Project founder, viewer developer, website developer, coordination is the head of the emerald team. yes those are his inworld names right. your words here not mine. but both those names have been permabanned due to violations in respect to his coding of vlife. which last i heard he just sold a new version to the entire nicholas family mafia. one that includes the ability to not only hack LL servers but directly attack any computer connected to the internet. you say that the source for PSL is available? WHERE?????????????????????????????????????? please link. and the ways to hack SL using emerald... do i really have to point it to you? by editing one xml file.. which for you folks that dont develop software the xmls are what makes up what you see. not what is done. but by editing one line in an xml file you can bypass the checks for emerald to not copy prims that arent yours. making it a full fledged copybot. crashing the sim with emerald is easy. flood the sim with thousands of particle beams and agent updates. free uploads you are right it does involve the temp trick. and you are right. those textures arent added to LL database. but tell me chalice... what happens when you drop that temporary texture in a notecard and save it? then relog? open the notecard and save the texture? OH NO.... you just hacked a free upload to second life. and all thanks to the grids favorite undercover griefer viewer. EMERALD. im sorry. say what you will. the team is chalk full of hacks that have done nothing but steal residents hard work and money for the last 2 years that i know of. everything from prims to clothing and skins and shapes... all the way down to stealing scripts. thats right. we all know that alias turbo was behind the quantum core attacks. every time darling brody comes up with something new. here comes lil mr hacker to hack into her servers and huds to see the code. and then whats he do? hands out full perm copies of the things he steals. i would connect through emerald if i had to. even if i was doing it through a proxy on another machine half was across the globe.

i say this to the emerald team.

lets see all your code. to alias... lets see the source to vlife.
to chalice lets see the source to psl
to cryo lets see the source to cryolife

you want the residents of SL to trust that you have given up your evil ways (not you chalice - i understand your viewer was tos compliant) then show faith. stop violating the law and come clean. show us the code.

and what is very odd about emerald is this. code that they give you is not all the code you should be given. as the viewer is directed to connect to their website. which is located in africa so god only knows what local laws they have there. and code is executed on their servers and relayed back to the viewer. this is only leading to speculation that they could be doing ANYTHING. they have your ip addy. who is to say that they arent connecting and raping you?

i am going to begin a complete overview of the emerald code. i am going to review it. anything that connects to the web for other things i wouldlike to see the webcode as well.

but untill those of you that work on emerald show the code for your viewers that are not emerald how are we to trust you?

all of you need to read the GPL section 3 section 5

im sorry. but unless you can provide the source to those viewers which ARE STILL IN ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT you can say they arent but if they arent then how are new versions still being sold????? then how can you sit here and trash someone who has complied with the GPL while violating it yourself?

i dont like copybots either but how dare you sit here and try to act all innocent and perfect. you are nothing but a hypocrite and should be treated as such.

so here is my offer. post a link to the source code of PSL. tell your companions to post links to the source code of their personal viewers. then the grid can rest assured that they are safe in using this Emerald thing because they will have the faith in the developers that they arent trying to steal from them

This is exactly what i thought. Chalice had the guts to run her mouth and pipe in not hours after my first post because she thought i was stupid. yet when called out in public she fails to respond.

and what does this say about the emerald team? as long as they feel that they have the power to manipulate the userbase into believing that their intentions are innocent they conduct sekretcy behind the veil. The lead of the emerald team is souly responsible for the hacking and redistrubution of stolen items in second life yet we are suppose to trust them. Chalice her self says that the code for their evil little viewers is available yet fails to respond in regards to where the code for this 'SO CALLED TOS COMPLIANT' viewer is located. each in their own way are violating not only the Linden Lab Terms of Service but the GPL as well. would you trust you credit card to a convict? or a hacker for that matter? then how can you entrust your user names and passwords to these chaps that break the law. not just a virtual worlds law but a real worlds law.

one that breaks the law is a criminal. are you really willing to hand over your passwords to a group of criminals? you wouldnt leave a criminal in your house while you go out of town. so why leave a criminal in access to your passwords and linden balances and inventory?

untill they prove otherwise there is no way for sure to trust them. not a single one. i have asked before for them to post the code. if they cant do that. then they are surely hiding something. and whatever that something is leave alot of room for speculation. speculation that could lead to the fact that they are infact gathering passwords. and account ids for the purpose of raping the userbase. no one knows for sure execpt the creators and they refuse to abide by the law.

criminals.
sick

Heh.

'This is exactly what i thought. Chalice had the guts to run her mouth and pipe in not hours after my first post because she thought i was stupid. yet when called out in public she fails to respond.'

I check this blog once a week or so, mostly because of this story. My fast reply to your first entry was coincidence. But thanks for 'exactly thinking so'. It shows with what kind of mindset you are discussing here.

'which last i heard he just sold a new version to the entire nicholas family mafia. one that includes the ability to not only hack LL servers but directly attack any computer connected to the internet.'

So I heard a friend of a friend talked to somebody who knows an FBI agent..

Yeah, I know that VLife was sold to the nicholaz mafia, but also to my knowledge, that was..jesus. Almost a year ago? Again, your info is outdated.

'you say that the source for PSL is available?'

I said it is available to those that have the binary and want the source, as per GPL. And yes, I had an e-mail exchange with the Free Software Foundation itself to make sure this works.

'please link. and the ways to hack SL using emerald... do i really have to point it to you? by editing one xml file.. which for you folks that dont develop software the xmls are what makes up what you see. not what is done. but by editing one line in an xml file you can bypass the checks for emerald to not copy prims that arent yours. making it a full fledged copybot.'

That was fixed -several- Emerald versions ago. Hack the XML, try to export. Be my guest. See what happens.

'crashing the sim with emerald is easy. flood the sim with thousands of particle beams and agent updates.'

Can I get a demo of that? I never even slowed down a sim with high agent updates (your agent updates are limited by your FPS by the way). If you can crash the sim with the particles, I want a demo. I am dead serious here, because this needs fixing then.

'free uploads you are right it does involve the temp trick. and you are right. those textures arent added to LL database. but tell me chalice... what happens when you drop that temporary texture in a notecard and save it?'

To my knowledge this should not work, as the notecard gets its data about the stored asset..from the asset servers in the first place, and the temporary texture is not there. if that worked, hat would not only be a bug in Emerald that needs fixing, but it first and foremost also needs to be SEC Jira'd, as it'd also be a flaw in LL's system itself. I'll try to repro it later.

'and all thanks to the grids favorite undercover griefer viewer. EMERALD.'

Thanks for calling 18k people griefers. I am sure they will appreciate it.

'all the way down to stealing scripts. thats right. we all know that alias turbo was behind the quantum core attacks. every time darling brody comes up with something new.'

I don't know the details of what happened, but I know he and Darling are on good, or at least communicative terms. Just so you know.

'lets see all your code. to alias... lets see the source to vlife.
to chalice lets see the source to psl
to cryo lets see the source to cryolife'

1. leave him an e-mail
2. GTeam itself has a copy of the code, and I still happily connect with it if I want to. I quite honestly don't feel like spreading the code of my baby (what was missing from Emerald is in emerald now anyways), given that it was just a fun thing for friends in the first place. Just let it rest. I quite simply don't want people running around with PSL. It's dead, stopped, gone. The private project is over, and those that had it moved on to Emerald, as it has the features (Doubleclick TP, Phantom, long sound playback etc.)
3. Ask him yourself.

None of the othe Emerald devs check the blog aside of me...and the source thing is up to them. I can't tell them to do it. But I hope you realize that you are asking for the open sourcing of potentially malicious code for everybody to use. Something you are complaining about in the first place. Think about that for a moment.

'and what is very odd about emerald is this. code that they give you is not all the code you should be given.'

Which code is missing? Really, it's an honest question, because I don't think we are missing anything as per GPL.

'as the viewer is directed to connect to their website. which is located in africa so god only knows what local laws they have there.'

First off, the site is in germany, as is the server, directly paid for and rented by Jcool. As is the domain, which is registered with 1And1. This all was stated in the link to the Modular systems website that I dropped earlier in a post and which you obviously didn't bother to read. If there ever were criminal activities going on, it would take no time at all for the authorities to get JCool's address and name. None at all. Think about that.

'and code is executed on their servers and relayed back to the viewer.'

Yes, and everybody can look through the Emerald code to see what is done with the relayed data. There are three times it connects to the website:

1. The login page, to get teh LL blog links, Modularsystems blog links, and the user-submitted login screen images.
2. To possibly get updates to the clients.xml file, which gets used to show the tags above people's heads. People get asked on first login if they want to enable that feature.
3. If somebody tries to hack the xml file to get full exports (hint hint) it instead saves an xml of a giant, helicopter-rotored prim-penis that attaches to their head on-reimport.

'i am going to begin a complete overview of the emerald code.'

Please. Please do. I can only encourage that.

'im sorry. but unless you can provide the source to those viewers which ARE STILL IN ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT '

Again, I can only say that to my knowledge, they are not. As stated before, your nicholaz example is not up to date. Cryolife itself is spread by idiots not connected to Cryo at all.

'then how can you sit here and trash someone who has complied with the GPL while violating it yourself?'

I never did :> And you know exactly why people are complaining about Neillife..if that is what you are referring to?

'i dont like copybots either but how dare you sit here and try to act all innocent and perfect. you are nothing but a hypocrite and should be treated as such.'

Why me? As I already said, I dislike VLife. Cryolife, etc. I think it was pure idiocy to ever make them. I AR people who actively copybot, and I tend to get people who use Cryolife estatebanned. I spend alot of money monthly in SL shops on wares I like and love. You are barking up the wrong tree here, and the fact that I, along with several other known good names in the community work on Emerald despite the known past of some other devs should tell you that, yes, said past is over, and that the intentions of Emerald development are good ones.

I understand that you are agitated over some of the member's pasts. We -know- people are. I -said- that in my first blog entry here, openly. And I personally fully understand. But such conflict and problems should be taken up with the referred-to devs personally, instead of hurting an opensource project that is, quite frankly, fun, harmless, and supposed to help the community. Those with a shady past are not the driving force behind Emerald. It's the team as a whole, no matter what they did in the past, and the team as a whole stands behind Emerald's code. As I stated above, if you find some crashing code..tell us. If you find code that can be abused (like the export xml thing which is, again, fixed), tell us. We even have a public bug tracker for all to see (http://lawlinter.net/tracker).

All in all, I hope this cleared some things up

Last but not least, something to think about:

http://www.modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=c...

one of my friends told me something which may be useful to you.lindens have the right to check transaction history, last owner, orig_creator_id. So it is indeed possible by checking the last owner if. And if that person has passed around he should be banned just for that transaction or so I think.

I also read on sl universe the other day chalice also saying that cryogenic blitz(on the emerald team) did create cryolife.

Hmm that's quite interesting, Crunchy! Of course, "last owner" is something being shown on the Emerald series of viewers; orig_creator_id is quite interesting!... however, it wouldn't help much in my case, my originally created notecard will list me as the original creator, so, unless they have a way to track down who has modified the notecard since then (which might go back to... 2004 :( ) it wouldn't help much. And I doubt they track modifications for that long; the database would have to be huge to deal with all that data!

Yes neil, I just wrote a whole big paragraph about the history and creation of PSL, in case you did not notice :>

Thanks, Chalice :) I wonder if I should ask you permission to turn that into a fully-fledged blog post and not merely a humble comment...

I'd have no problem with that, Gwyn :) At all.
Tho you'd have to explain in a few words what it is about, since most of the people might just wonder where that 'PSL' babble is suddenly coming from.;P

Chalice Yao has committed to creating psl as I said before.

Also I looked again on Neil's blog http://neillife-lol.blogspot.com/. And He says he didn't send out the notecards.

I also never claimed he did :) As a matter of fact, I'd be very surprised if he wrote the one I got — since it's in Portuguese, and I hardly expect Neil to speak Portuguese as well... so at the very least one different person actually sent that particular notecard out, and it very likely wasn't Neil. Who it was, I have no way to figure out — but Linden Lab most certainly has!

P.S. something to add:

No. Neil does not 'work on Emerald'. Nor does N3xis. They both have taken the Emerald source, and are making their own viewers with it. Flexilife, to my knowledge, being a legal client, and Neillife being a pile of permission violations and griefmaterial. It doesn't really surprise me that Neil has acted the way he did, in regards to Gwyneth and the notecard. But why this falls back on Emerald itself, as I said, I have no idea.

It's because Neil's original name for his client was "Emerald Neillife Viewer" — he was riding on the success wave of Emerald.

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"Current Developers:
Chalice Yao- creator of psl client which is also closed source and did provide physics freeze of objects rest were tos compliant. Gemni creator skillz hack got half of psl's functions and put it in her client along with emerald thats how she first gave out everything."

Kind of Correct. PSL was actually how I first got into the while viewer coding thing :> I took the normal client..1.20 or 1.21 at the time things started, I think, and just started tinkering, tweaking, modding things. Some of my friends noticed, and I showed them what I did..and gave them access to it. So, yes, it was kind of a personal hobby, with me and a close circle of friends enjoying the viewer. The 'physics freezing', or Physics Interceptors as they are called, were a relateively late addition. It stemmed from me and most PSLers hanging out in the Weapons Testing sandbox, so it was a good method to stop griefers attacking oneself with physics. We even used the functionality often enough to prevent griefers from physics-crashing the sim. I intentionally limited its max range to 20m, default was 5M with that range not being too easily changable, and I made sure it turned off on TP, logins etc. The intention behind them was a purely defensive thing. The functionality itself is ToS compliant, unless used in a griefing manner, a thing I greatly discouraged in the PSL group.

During the time I also started exchanging ideas, code and concepts with other makers of private clients that I've known. As for Skills, she was a PSL user before making Gemini, so yes, some of its functionality is either directly inspired by PSL, or even comes from code I handed to her. The same goes for LGG, whose LGG proxy and plugins are also very PSL inspired, as he was a PSL user when making it. So no, nothing there got 'stolen' in terms of ideas or code. It's all consentual.

During that time, also some of the more notoriously known private clients were born, like VLife and Cryo. Did I know about them? Sure. Did I like them? Nah. Not at all. To this day I still take pride in PSL having been a fully ToS compliant client, and the users of it actually had a certain sense of security through that.
Alas, all good things come to an end, and after suffering some burnout due to RL and PSL starting to be painful to maintain due to the growing userbase which went past my close friends circle, I decided to stop. I fonud my fun in client coding again not too much later by joining the Emerald team, since I've known most of its members from a good while ago. What Emerald didn't have yet in terms of what PSL had in functionality, I now have added..aside of the physics interceptors. They will not go in, as I myself would have never added such a feature in a publically spreading client. They also will never get added, ever. The decision is set in stone between all Emerald devs.

And now, I am happy that I can contribute to Emerald. Have scepticism or criticism when it comes to some of the dev team's pasts..I don't blame you. It's normal, and of course it's also normal to view Emerald itself with skepsis due to it.
As I mentioned before, I myself had my share of annoyances and bad thoughts when it came to older clients that were in the making..but those clients aren't made anymore, aren't spread anymore, not by them. Some got leaked, to my knowledge, but whatever you may hear about them..none of the Emerald team's members are behind them anymore.

Currently all this team wants is to give the people the ideas and possibilites, the code that was shared and enjoyed in private before. Something to make the residents happy with, and in a way to do what Linden Lab isn't doing..making a client that steadily progresses with innovation and features. I can only invite you to have the Emerald code dissected, to have the packets it sends sniffed, to debug its binary. We cannot stop people from making bastardized, non-ToS compliant offshoots. It's not surprising that this happens..Emerald is, IMO, a wonderful base to start your own client on, for good or for bad. But I know that Emerald itself is a clean thing I and the others can take pride in. The witchhunt, and the repeated untrue rumors about it being bugged, malicious or evil in intentions are starting to hurt, I must say..but for my own part, I will just continue to sit it out. Human nature always needs a scapegoat. Why this hits Emerald itself, instead of the idiots who are activately making malicious offspring..I don't know. I just hope you will give my words some thought.

--Chalice Yao

Todays the day to rat.

http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_c...

I saw you saw my previous comments. On that site is the emerald dev site. Go check the site for all the proof.

Nexii is also working on emerald and has his tag already put in as flexlife and he is also the creator of shoopedlife.
Name Short which name is not mention but found on greenlife's site as admin created domo kungfu which also had illigal functions. There is several clients out there but one of the biggest hacker teams is also working on emerald. Proof is all on the site.

Emerald Viewer

Current Developers:
Chalice Yao- creator of psl client which is also closed source and did provide physics freeze of objects rest were tos compliant. Gemni creator skillz hack got half of psl's functions and put it in her client along with emerald thats how she first gave out everything.
Chris Tuchs- no info
Cryogenic- he is the creator of ruby and cryolife. Cryogenic Blitz. Alt Name I think It was Luminous Luminous or something like that. Full av name Cryogenic Blitz but it should be banned by name but his alt lives.
Discrete Dreamscape- one of the dev of vlife
Hyang Zhao- no info
Jcool410- creator of the emerald site
LordGregGreg Back- provides legal stuff
Madgeek- no info
Phox- Creator of Phoxsl also a dev of vlife. He also has clothing steal copybot etc in his client.
Skills Hak- creator of gemni that LGG did defame in his group. But now she is also part of the dev.
theGenius Indigo- no info except that he is the creator of the viewer called corgi on emeralds client detection list which I also looked up on one of the previous posts it was found in llvoavatar.cpp for all the names
WoLf- no info of creating illegal viewer
Zwagoth Klaar- He also does a lot of coding and has coded things that full perm things. As of now he hasn't did anything that wild.

Many other patches and features from other open source viewers

Documentation and Support:
LordGregGreg Back-provides legal stuff

Web Dev:
Jcool410- alias turbo is one of his banned accounts you can go double check it has an existing key, His current name is Stalin Fallen and is also in LGG's group to find him. He is also the creator of the site and rumor has it he also tracks all the people that downloaded the viewer along with the ips of both the viewer and source. He is also the main creator of vlife.
Zeus Bedrosian / Zingaralho- no info

Releases:
Discrete Dreamscape- one of the dev's of vlife and tyk3n
LordGregGreg- has made legal releases
Hyang Zhao-no info

Public Relations:
Rabbit- no info

Well I have checked out his blog. Today it says he wasn't quitting sl and that he was just pretending to be like you in a little quote. He claims that he didn't give out those notecards or spam ims. He also claims that he did give out neillife but also gave the source but someone tried using bots and spread out a fake link all over sl. Since the viewer was open source anyone can compile it and it will have his name. He also complains on his blog that his viewer did follow gpl licensing by providing source just some people tried to make fake alternate links
[DELETED LINK] was the orig source code link.
[DELETED LINK] was the orig viewer source. After downloading and looking at the code this seemed to be clean links

I also looked up other links since I found cryolife was a freebie viewer made by cryogenic blitz on the emerald dev team. I checked one of the links and tried the viewer. I found out that cryolife from this [DELETED LINK]. I saw it also had clothing copy object export. I tried the viewer and was like lawls clothing protection does work. But I stopped using the viewer shortly after.



Also there is rumors going around that some of the emerald dev like alias turbo/Stalin Fallen which can also be found in LGG's group and Discrete DreamScape are the creator of vlife. Another rumor that also went around that cryogenic blitz who was also one of the emerald dev was the creator of cryolife who has also destroyed sl without source. Phox who is also on the emerald dev created the client called phoxsl which was also a greifer client and rumor has it he is also currently working on vlife. The client creator nexii of flexlife and shoopedlife is also working on the emerald project. PSl which is also a closed source client made by none other than chalice Yao had also put a function for physics freeze in his client which is like the only greifer tool because it dos's LL's sims by freezing physics.

Also there is rumors going around that some of the emerald dev like alias turbo/Stalin Fallen which can also be found in LGG's group and Discrete DreamScape are the creator of vlife. Another rumor that also went around that cryogenic blitz who was also one of the emerald dev was the creator of cryolife who has also destroyed sl without source. Phox who is also on the emerald dev created the client called phoxsl which was also a greifer client and rumor has it he is also currently working on vlife. The client creator nexii of flexlife and shoopedlife is also working on the emerald project. PSl which is also a closed source client made by none other than chalice Yao had also put a function for physics freeze in his client which is like the only greifer tool because it dos's LL's sims by freezing physics.


Replying to that.

I have found out from sources all of it is true. Half the emerald team also makes clients like this. Go check the emerald dev team for cryogenic blitz and you will find out he also made cryolife and the client called ruby. Alias turbo- also known as stallin fallen which can be found in lgg's group/phox/thomas shikami/tyk3n are dev of vlife. Each of them have also made their own personal client except alias turbo. LGG is clean. Creator of Rivlife also contain client spoofing and a few other non friendly functions. Name Short which is also one of the emeralds dev also made a seperate client called kungfu on the emerald client detection list. Flexlife/ shoopedlife creator named nexii is also working on the emerald dev. PSL which is a closed source illigal client but follows tos is made by chalice yao and his client does indeed have one greifer option which is object freeze which freezes all the physical objects in the region.

I'm very sorry, Crunchy, but no matter how much I respect your opinions about the "harmlessness" of the Neil Life viewer (or the CryoLife viewer), before Linden Lab has had a chance to validate the code and pronouncing it free of harm, I'm not going to allow my blog to be turned into a resource for content pirates to download illegitimate viewers.

That's definitely out of bounds.

On the other hand, I'd welcome the link to Neil's blog!

That is just wrong. Sorry they used your name to do this...
~Fin

gee, i thought i would be helpful with a chirp (i have 2500 followers) but there have already been a ton of retweets

i hope that gets the word out, i always have residents telling me about this viewer or that viewer but have never paid much attention to the versions. i will now

good luck Gwyneth, you share lots of good information and certainly don't need grief like this :(

Live by the sword, die by the sword, Gwyn. You didn't confront Cory Linden at the townhall in January 2007 as I did; you pushed me aside and said I should stop fretting about hackers with reverse-engineered viewers -- and then later hacked allowed viewers and then rogue viewers.

Now you come and bitch this is happening to you, and everybody has to stop what they're doing and get Hamlet to post about it and all hands on deck -- merely because you don't like your *reputation* associated with a rogue viewer.

And yet you won't confront the issues of stopping all rogue viewers for everybody, or at least putting in a system such as Angela Talamasca has suggested that would deter malicious viewers and would at least mark when the exploits occurred if possible to further deter by being able to ban some people.

Do you or do you now support registering third-party viewer? Yes or no. Don't ask anybody to chase after this particular runaway horse until you address the barn door question.

Prok's just hacked because Gwyn's got piles more whuffie than he does, when he tries so hard to collect it. :-)

no Maggie Prok is just hacked off . always has been always will be.

Er, no, because I don't care about whuffie or any reputational system. I wish to be free. Gwyn is always terribly political and sometimes awfully craven to the Lindens and writes their thoughts five minutes before they do, then sometimes writes 30 page texts even longer than mine criticizing them in like paragraph 678 and they cry little tears.

No, not interested. Gwyn has given so much to Linden Lab and Second Life, and gotten back so little.

That last paragraph is actually so very true! :) But I "live" by a completely different set of rules, Prok: be generous and never expect anything in return.

Actually, I'm a bit less worried about my reputation than it might seem; what truly worries me is that people can get their computers hacked, and their content (possibly) copied, and put the blame on entirely the wrong person.

And I still have to comment on Cyn's very long post. Of course I support the decision of registering with Linden Lab for any third-party viewers, 'bots, or any other similar tools. Although it's quite true I have never blogged about it (my time in the past few weeks has been very very limited), I did talk with Lindens and other SL developers about that. It's really the only solution, and a very reasonable one. After all, even on the open source community, there are a lot of examples of similar things: WordPress plugins, for instance, can be downloaded from anywhere — but only the ones from WordPress's own site are "safe to download" because they require not only registration, but a certain number of steps that developers have to take before WordPress agrees to release them.

So I can imagine that Linden Lab might simply put up a page with all third-party tools that have registered with them. Not a Wiki page — since that can be so easily hacked — but one controlled by LL themselves.

why dont you report this to lindens? i am sure they dont like this either and will try to get these objects and people behind it to take action

An update: thanks to Zai Lynch, we might have the creator's name: Neil Elton (see http://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Do...)

Yes, garvin, as said, this was reported to Linden Lab, minutes after I got the notecard. Sadly, well, the problem is — who am I going to report abuse against? The notecard bears my name. So far, I haven't been able to get someone who has received the original notecard (or one of its translations) and knows enough about SL to understand that all objects will tell their location, so that I could report it better to LL.

Besides the official abuse report to LL, some friends of mine have also done a few "unofficial" ones. At the very least, LL is warned too. With luck, they might look into it, like they did with the "vLife" client, which was a similar scam.

With Linden Labs absolute apathy and lack of interest in becoming involved in stopping scam artistry such as this you can probably expect to receive a form email telling you to file a DMCA Claim (so effective!) or worse, nothing at all.

I don't like to rip on Linden Labs, but they've played the Switzerland role far too long when it comes between scam/fraud artists and legitimate developers in Second Life, I've had my own name and copyrighted/trademarked work used within the Lindens own system by people I don't even know in various money based scam attempts and the response from Linden Lab in regards to dealing with them is always completely neutral and forcing all the burden of legal responsibility back on me....regardless of how another user is using their systems.

Its a horrible state of affairs and this kind of stuff happens almost every week.

Playing the Switzerland role is all well and good, but, regardless of Switzerland's neutrality, there were still Nazi's in the Alps. This is the problem we have now with Linden Lab, their policy of non-culpability and inaction in regards to obvious fraudulent use of copyright protected or even GPL materials, is absolutely disappointing, and it will be the eventual lynch pin of success or failure for this platform....especially if another platform comes out and exceeds its capabilities and has a far more proactive or reactive system of dealing with the fraud artists on the net that will attempt to abuse it.

Suzanna: It *is* your responsibility to engineer your own stance, policies and defense of how you licence your product. You can't rely on somebody else to do that.

You might think you'd be happier in another, more tightly controlled environment like Blue Mars; in fact I recommend you give that a try.

I think you will find it an educational experience.

Maggie, Suzanna didn't license her product, it was stolen from her and sold on under a different name, and even after going through all the required processes Linden Lab did nothing to rectify the matter.

Um... Isn't CCS licensed for use in sims that she doesn't own? Or does she own them all now?

It is licensed to third party sims, but that's not what I'm talking about. One of the licensees, through illegal means, obtained not just the code for the inworld part of CCS but the server code too (which very few people have access to). They then took that code, modified it slightly (initially just changing the title) and proceeded to sell it under a different name.

Extract from Emerald makes for intresting reading even if you don't understand code...

void resolve_client(LLColor4& avatar_name_color, std::string& client, LLUUID idx)
{
if(idx == LLUUID("ccda2b3b-e72c-a112-e126-fee238b67218"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::green;//emerald
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::green;
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "Emerald";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("c252d89d-6f7c-7d90-f430-d140d2e3fbbe"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::red;//vlife jcool410
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "VLife";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("adcbe893-7643-fd12-f61c-0b39717e2e32"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::pink;//tyk3n
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "tyk3n";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("f3fd74a6-fee7-4b2f-93ae-ddcb5991da04") || idx == LLUUID("77662f23-c77a-9b4d-5558-26b757b2144c"))
{
avatar_name_color += (LLColor4::purple);//psl
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "PSL";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("5aa5c70d-d787-571b-0495-4fc1bdef1500"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::red;//lordgreg
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::red;
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "LGG proxy";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("8183e823-c443-2142-6eb6-2ab763d4f81c"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::blue;//day oh
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "Day Oh proxy";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("e52d21f7-3c8b-819f-a3db-65c432295dac") || idx == LLUUID("0f6723d2-5b23-6b58-08ab-308112b33786"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::cyan;//cryolife
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::cyan;
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "CryoLife";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("0bcd5f5d-a4ce-9ea4-f9e8-15132653b3d8"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::pink;//moy
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::pink;//moy
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "MoyMix";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("f5a48821-9a98-d09e-8d6a-50cc08ba9a47"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::yellow;//neil
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::yellow;//neil
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "NeilLife";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("2c9c1e0b-e5d1-263e-16b1-7fc6d169f3d6"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4(0.0f,1.0f,1.0f);
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;//phox
client = "PhoxSL";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("c5b570ca-bb7e-3c81-afd1-f62646b20014") || idx == LLUUID("7c4d47a3-0c51-04d1-fa47-e4f3ac12f59b"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::white;
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::white;
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "Kung Fu";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("9422e9d7-7b11-83e4-6262-4a8db4716a3b"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::magenta;
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::magenta;
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "BetaLife";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("872c0005-3095-0967-866d-11cd71115c22"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::green;//SimFed Poland
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::blue;//SimFed Poland
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::blue;//SimFed Poland
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "<-- Fag";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("3ab7e2fa-9572-ef36-1a30-d855dbea4f92"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4(0.0f,0.5f,1.0f); //Nexii
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * 0.5;
client = "VerticalLife";
}else if(idx == LLUUID("4e8dcf80-336b-b1d8-ef3e-08dacf015a0f"))
{
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::blue; //Sapphire
avatar_name_color += LLColor4::blue; //Sapphire
avatar_name_color = avatar_name_color * (F32)0.333333333333;
client = "Sapphire";
}else
{

All quite harmless but its the associations that make you think does it not...

Indeed harmless; Emerald just knows who these viewers are.

God, I hate C++.

@spyvspyaeon, I did indeed report it to 2shared.com. However, I'm afraid 2shared.com is a "cracker data heaven" — they don't require logging in to either drop files there or to download them, and so, there is no way to know who left the file there. So far, 2shared.com has completely ignored my requests.

@Maggie, you're quite right! However, so far, the only resident that talked to me about the notecard he's received was not proficient enough with SL to understand what I was talking about. His skill with SL stopped short of understanding how to right-click on a notecard to see the properties, open the creator's profile, and chat with me. I need someone who understands a little bit more of SL to be able to track this down (or a Linden working on AR #1606110 willing to look at a resident's log to see where the notecard originated — I'm assuming an object, but with an object and location, we'd get the culprit).

Actually, they may not require a membership or login to upload a file to their servers, but 2shared.com will definitely be able to tell what IP address put that file on their server.

Good news, @spyvspyaeon, 2shared.com did indeed block the file from being downloaded. That's a good start, there were only 23 downloads before it was blocked. Of course, there are so many similar sites around, but at least nobody who got the infamous notecard will be able to follow the link on it...

The current LL viewer will display the name, location and owner of an object that sends you an IM if you click on the object name on the chat line. Inventory offers are accompanied by a chat message containg a SLURL for the object's location and the owner's name.

Damn.... bloody scummers. Can u report that to 2shared.com ?? It is a illegal software used to hack SL Accounts. I will help to spread the word. I really don't like those kinda o people doing that, and much more to my friends.